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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:32:07
 Originally by: Teamosil
Edited by: Teamosil on 15/04/2009 02:45:39
As I understand it, for a ship ransom price to be viable it needs to be lower than the cost of replacing the ship, buying new insurance, and replacing it's modules minus the insurance payout, and it needs to be higher than the value of the loot the pirate would get from blowing up the ship. If it's over the price of replacing the ship, the victim won't pay and if it's under the value of the loot, the pirate wouldn't offer it. Right?
For example, if I'm flying around in a cyclone, the cost of replacing it after insurance is about $25m and the loot would be worth about $10m. So the range where a deal could potentially be struck would be $10m to $25m. Probably at the lower end if the victim has no reason to trust that the pirate will honor it and probably at the higher end if they do. Anything outside of that range would be a losing proposition for one party or the other and would be rejected.
But in actuality it seems like people consistently ask for a ransom somewhere between 2 and 10 times the cost of replacing the ship... Which is why nobody ever pays ransoms... Am I missing something? Is ransom just being used as a means to sucker nubs with bad math skills? Or do pirates figure every ship is loaded up with t2 rigs or something?
Pod ransom is a different animal because you have no idea what implants the person has or how much of a pita it will be for them to be sent back to wherever their clone is. So that ends up just being some kind of guessing game based on how old the player is and whatnot, but I imagine that most times the pod is worth less to the player than the ship. People with expensive implants typically don't wear them in situations where they might get blown up.
Unrealistic randsoms is an indicator that your deal with an immature pirate who has no clue what he is doing.
First, a pirate never blows up a paying customer.
Second, a good pirate never makes unrealistic demands. After all, he wants to get paid!
Third, after payment is received a good pirate will fulfill his end of the bargain and let his client go. After all, he wants future targets to be paying customers!
If a pirate is unrealistic or blows up his paying clients then he will not be a successful pirate since no one will trust him on his word and they all will then refuse to pay, period! If he is going to kill you why pay him to do it? Just let him take the ship and use the money to buy another ship.
I have a friend who was ganked by 7 pirates at a low sec gate camp in his Hurricane. They blew up his ship and held his pod for a 20 million random. He basically told them to take a hike. They already blew up his ship. He said he would have gladly paid the randsom if they hadnt blew up his ship.
Simple as that.
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:36:00 -
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Here is a good sticky
http://eve-stuff.co.uk/resources.php?a=piracy
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 17:02:19
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Br Soren
... regurgitated drivel ...
Clearly, you are an accomplished pirate with your whopping five kills. It must be the hundreds of other ships you've ransomed and let go that make you feel like you can speak with authority.
Your myopic view of piracy and ransoms is laughable.
Maybe not on EVE, but EVE isnt the only game Ive played or pirated.
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 17:07:47
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Br Soren
Maybe not on EVE, but EVE isnt the only game Ive played or pirated.
You actually think that anything you've played is a close analogue to the complexities of Eve?
Originally by: Br Soren
Get a life.
Get some experience and you'll have to eat less humble pie. 
lol You're making me laugh. You know nothing about my game experience. Except maybe on EVE.
No humble pie here. I know a bit about piracy. If you took the time to read the link I posted you would see exactly what I have said being restated by an EVE experienced pirate.
BTW, did you know little johnny that piracy isnt exclusive to EVE? 
Now, go learn something  
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 19:17:54
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Br Soren
lol You're making me laugh. You know nothing about my game experience. Except maybe on EVE.
Seeing as how no one really gives a **** about your "game experience" outside of Eve, I fail to see how it's relevant.
Originally by: Br Soren
No humble pie here. I know a bit about piracy. If you took the time to read the link I posted you would see exactly what I have said being restated by an EVE experienced pirate.
Again, your myopic view of piracy is laughable. Your arrogance makes it hilarious.
Originally by: Br Soren
BTW, did you know little johnny that piracy isnt exclusive to EVE?
Now, go learn something
It appears that you are just covered in stupid.
Your post just proves the maturity level of the people who falsely claim they are pirates when actually a more appropriate word for them are.... terrorists.
Nothing illegal about that in the EVE world of criminal behavior, but it says a lot about you not knowing what the heck your rambling on about.
Read the EVE link I posted. It restates the same information i posted in this thread consistently.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=936500
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